Possible discovery of a periodic variable Quasar with a super-period

https://www.legacysurvey.org//viewer/?ra=10.9269&dec=37.4218&layer=sdss&zoom=16

Object
ra, dec 10.9268, 37.4217
AT 2018klt
LAMOST J004342.54+372519.9
LEDA 2100384 - Seyfert 1 galaxy

Using the Transient Name Server, SDSS and VizieR I might have discovered a periodic variable QSO / Quasar / AGN with a (super-) period of 578.8 days

I ask anyone with available telescope time, an interest in periodic AGN and willing to take a gamble to observe this object in the period around 19-09-2023. The next flare up is guesstimated to occur on 19-09-2023 but given the uncertainties of the actual (super-)period and duration of a flare-up it might be better to take a range of 10-09-2023 through 25-09-2023.

I discuss all my reasoning in this GZ thread

tl;dr
The first detection dates of 3 entries in TNS in combination with a single SDSS observation are pretty solidly hinting at a period of 578.8 days
Additional data from VizieR hints at an actual period of 57.88 days and a super-period of 10 * 57.88 days = 578.8 days

AT 2018klt in the TNS: AT 2018klt | Transient Name Server

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Neat! Dunno if you’ve looked at the ZTF light curves – pretty nice!

https://portal.nersc.gov/project/cosmo/temp/dstn/lc.fits

cheers,
dustin

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Wow, no I had not, that looks a bit more chaotic than a ‘simple’ (super-) period! :sweat_smile:

quasars gon’ quase

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Well I can at least see clearly the outbursts from 2018,2020 and 2022 so that’s reassuring, the middle one from 2020 is like a dimmer peak because the whole system / source had dimmed, yet it had to peak, awesome but more crazy than I thought it would be!

Isn’t this similar to a TESS lightcurve for a double (star) system? I forgot a lot about that Zooniverse project…

Still, the guesstimate for halfway sept this year still stands! But likely a ‘dimmer peak’ like 2020 if the graph is representative of the period?

Somewhat similar to the exoplanet ‘Eclipsing Binary’ lightcurves (but reversed in brightness; peaks vs dips)

Such as for example this one

Or this one

Eclipsing SMBH of different mass where lensing causes the peaks in brightness??

I do believe that quasar variability (although not 100% proven which) is believed to come from one/a combination of the following:

  • thermal fluctuations from magnetic field turbulence
  • instabilities in the accretion disk
  • superposition of supernovae
  • microlensing (specifics attached)

Best of luck - very nice find no matter what it is.

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By eye it seems this source varied from mag 16.7 to mag 15.3 (~1.4) in the ZTF lightcurve which puts it in the ‘extreme variability quasars’ category?

They’ve found “~40 quasars that vary by more than 1.5 magnitudes”, and “~1000 spectroscopically confirmed quasars that vary by 1 magnitude or more”, so I guess they are not that rare persé

Source

Tis more variable than usual though so nice find. I figure an extra one would still be loved by researchers given that no one seems to fully understand why they are variable.

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Gotta be careful when looking at that light curve as it shows 3 different bands. The g band does seem to have the highest variablity, though only varies between ~16.7 and ~15.7. An variablity of ~1 mag.

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Argh yes ofcourse, true

I’m trying to figure out how to extract the lightcurve myself so I can make some more precise measurements

There are plenty of zooniverse projects that deal with lightcurves; I am sure the researchers there wouldn’t mind helping with any extraction/folding or even observation time.

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Nothing beats being able to do things yourself : )

Or at least trying to figure it out even

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True but the telescope bit might be hard.

Hi Alexander,

To get the light curves from ZTF, I went to
https://irsa.ipac.caltech.edu/cgi-bin/Gator/nph-scan?submit=Select&projshort=ZTF
and selected the ZTF DR16,
and then did a coordinate search on
10.9269 37.4218
and I reduced the radius to 2.1 arcsec (cone search).

(If you increase the radius above 2.1", I think it’s finding a different source - I haven’t looked too carefully, but if you look at the “distance” and “angle” columns (at the far right of the table below), they’re different, and the first six entries are g,r,i bands in two different chips in the camera, so I think they’re correct.)

That yielded this link (it’s got ‘temp’ in the name, so probably won’t persist…)
https://irsa.ipac.caltech.edu/workspace/TMP_zLBkPJ_2833/Gator/irsa/4502/tbview.html

I selected the top 6 and clicked the “To time series tool” button.

And then clicked the “Download Light Curve” button.

That yields a FITS table with columns “filtercode”, “mag”, “magerr”, etc.

To make plots and stuff I write little Python scripts. I like the “fitsio” package for reading FITS tables, but astropy is also a popular option. (fitsio is lighter-weight, doesn’t try to be so fancy.) And then plot with matplotlib.

Presumably one could instead convert the FITS table to CSV and use a spreadsheet or whatever program. Or perhaps the “Topcat” program would also work.

cheers,
dustin

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Wow thanks

Yeah I try to circumvent FITS files as much as possible, I think it should be possible here :+1:

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“it’s called flexible image transport system which is why we have made it as inflexible as possible”.

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Its also a way for me to explore the possibilities of accessibility for non-pro’s

If they’ve build a user interface enabling circumventing FITS files and such I will find them

(I’ve used FITS files to create images and such but didnt succeed at lightcurves or other data)

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Ah fair enough. That’s a very noble pursuit - FITS files are horrible to deal with and better accessibility would be much loved.

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